Agenda and minutes

Full Council - Wednesday, 4th April, 2018 7.30 pm

Venue: Council Chamber - Town Hall. View directions

Contact: Democratic Services  Email: democratic.services@crawley.gov.uk

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1.

Disclosures of Interest pdf icon PDF 32 KB

In accordance with the Council's Code of Conduct, Councillors of the Council are reminded that it is a requirement to declare interests where appropriate.

 

Minutes:

The disclosures of interests made by Councillors were set out in Appendix A to the minutes.

 

2.

Communications

To receive and consider any announcementsor communications.

Minutes:

The Mayor invited representatives from each party to pay tribute to Councillors Stephen Joyce and Dr. Howard Bloom, who had both decided to stand down from the Council at the Borough Election in May, after a significant service both to Crawley Borough Council and to the residents of the Borough. Councillors Mullins, Crow,      B. Smith, Burrett, Lamb, and the Mayor himself, paid their heartfelt respects with glowing and touching tributes to both Councillors who had serviced their residents and the Borough so diligently.

 

As part of the Mayor’s communications he informed the Council of the sad passing of Ted Lynch OBE the Council’s first Treasurer. Also noted that it was 50 years ago Martin Luther King was assassinated.

 

3.

Public Question Time

To answerpublicquestionsunder Council Procedure Rule10.The questionsmust be on matterswhich are relevanttothe functionsofthe Council, andshould not includestatements.

 

One supplementaryquestionfrom thequestioner will be allowed.

 

Up to 30 minutesisallocatedto PublicQuestionTime.

 

Minutes:

Questions asked in accordance with Council Procedure Rule 9 were as follows:

           

Questioner’s Name

Name of Councillor Responding

 

Mr Crane (Bewbush)

 

Can you confirm that the New Town Hall and the other buildings being proposed to be built as part of that development, will they all be fully fitted with sprinklers for fire safety?

 

Supplementary Question

 

On the scheme in total, would the Council have to take out any loans to fund the schemes?

 

Councillor Skudder (Cabinet Member for Resources)

 

Yes, I believe that they will. All the buildings would meet the required fire safety standards.

 

 

Councillor Lamb (Leader of the Council)

 

Yes, in line with the report that the Council had agreed, there would be some private financing as part of that.

 

Mr Browning (Three Bridges)

 

My question relates to the proposed boundary changes relating to Tinsley Lane. The proposed boundary is the A211, which has a rammed footbridge and a road flyover, to Three Bridges. How do you justify this as to travel to Langley Green parade from Tinsley Lane residents would have to cross two major roads and the industrial area?

 

 

 

 

 

Supplementary Question

 

The crossing of Gatwick Road is greater than the A211, in my view and there are WSCC reports that mention this road’s over capacity. Given this your justification doesn’t seem to add up?

 

Councillor Lunnon (Chair of Governance Committee)

 

The principle focus of the boundary review across the Borough is to seek electoral equality. Unfortunately that has meant we’ve had to propose making boundaries that may not make everyone happy. But we’ve done our best at creating a proposal that should be acceptable by the Boundary Commission, otherwise they’ll impose a set of boundaries on us that ignores the core neighbourhood values of Crawley.

 

Councillor Lunnon (Chair of Governance Committee)

 

I do understand your frustration that the proposed scheme that we are going to debate later, is not to your taste, but I believe it is the best and fairest scheme for the Borough as a whole.

 

Councillor Burrett (Vice Chair of Governance Committee )

 

In response to the original question, I don’t believe the proposed scheme is justifiable and there is a scheme being proposed tonight that does keep the whole of Three Bridges together.

 

Mr Tantrum (Three Bridges)

 

It sounds that the decision of the boundaries has already been made?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Supplementary Question

 

We as residents vote you in and clearly there is a strong view amongst Tinsley Lane that the proposals are not acceptable. Votes will be influenced by the decision you take.

 

Councillor Lunnon (Chair of Governance Committee)

 

Just to be clear we are discussing a report that has been discussed at both  the Electoral Boundaries Working Group and Governance Committee. We are to discuss the recommendations from both of those bodies tonight and the Full Council will then be taking a decision of the Council’s view of the proposed boundaries for submission.

 

Councillor Lunnon (Chair of Governance Committee)

 

As I mentioned previously, we understand that some residents may  ...  view the full minutes text for item 3.

4.

Minutes

To approve as a correct recordthe minutesofthe meetingof the Full Council held on Wednesday 21 February 2018.

Minutes:

The minutes of the meeting of the Full Council held on 21 February 2018 were approved as a correct record and signed by the Mayor.

5.

Items for debate (Reserved Items)

Prior to the introduction ofthe Minutesofthe Cabinet, Overviewand Scrutiny CommissionandCommittees (ascontained in the BookofMinutes), Memberswill be given the opportunity to indicate on which items they wish tospeak.

 

TheseReservedItemswill then bethe onlymattersto bethe subject ofa debate.

 

Minutes:

Members indicated that they wished to speak on a number of items as set out in the following table:

 

Minute

Book

Page no.

Committee/

Minute no.

 

(and the Group reserving the item for Debate

 

Subject

 

(Decisions previously taken under delegated powers, reserved for debate only).

 

Subject

 

(Recommendation to Council, reserved for debate)

 

Page 22

Planning Committee,

27 February 2018,

Minute 4

 

Conservative Group

 

WITHDRAWN

 

Planning Application CR/2016/0972/FUL

44 Goffs Park Road, (formerly Oakhurst Grange), Southgate, Crawley.

 

 

Suppl’tary Agenda

Page 7

Cabinet

21 March 2018

Minute 5

 

Conservative Group

 

Three Bridges Station Improvement Scheme

 

Suppl’tary Agenda – Information to Follow

Page 11

Cabinet

21 March 2018

Minute 12

 

Conservative Group

 

Building Cleaning Service Contract Award*

(Part B- Exempt item)

 

 

Suppl’tary Agenda – Information to Follow

Page 14

Governance Committee,

26 March 2018 Minute 3

 

Both the Labour Group & Conservative Group

 

 

Recommendation 1(a)

 

Electoral Review – Ward Patterns – Consideration of the Principle of Promoting a Mixed Pattern of Wards

 

Suppl’tary Agenda – Information to Follow

Page 16

Governance Committee,

26 March 2018 Minute 3

 

Both the Labour Group & Conservative Group

 

 

Recommendation 1(b) 

 

Electoral Review – Ward Patterns – Consideration of the Mixed Pattern of Wards

 

6.

Minutes of the Cabinet, Overview and Scrutiny Commission and Committees

1)            Toreceive theminutes ofthe meetings ofthe Cabinet,Overviewand Scrutiny Commission and Committees, as listed on page 19, and set out in the appendices to this item.

 

2)            Toadopt any of therecommendationsto Full Council,which have notbeenreservedfor debate and as listed on page 19, and set out in the appendices to this item.

 

Minutes:

Moved by Councillor Portal Castro (as the Deputy Mayor):-

 

RESOLVED

 

That the following reports be received:

 

a)            Planning Committee – 27 February 2018

b)            Planning Committee – 27 February 2018

c)            Overview and Scrutiny Commission – 19 March 2018  

d)            Planning Committee – 20 March 2018  

e)            Cabinet – 21 March 2018  

f)             Governance Committee – 26 March 2018  

 

7.

Three Bridges Station Improvement Scheme (Cabinet - 21 March 2018)

Minutes:

Councillor Burrett, on behalf of the Conservative Group, explained the rationalefor bringing forward this item for debate. He commentedthat he welcomed this item and the way it has been dealt with generally. He was pleased that Cabinet allowed representations from Maidenbower Councillors during their meeting. He and his Ward colleagues had also intended to request to speak at the Cabinet, but it clashed with the new Forge Wood forum. The plans for Threes Bridges Station does have a significant impact on his Ward, most residents were pleased with the proposals as it addressed the numerous issues associated with the station. But the concern with the current proposal of the no right turn, will make the possible rat run through St Mary’s Drive and surrounding roads worse. He welcomed that the Cabinet have asked for further highways studies over the no right hand turn and traffic generally surrounding the station.

 

Councillors McCarthy, Lanzer, Irvine, Boxall, P. Smith andLamb also spokeon thismatter.

 

8.

Building Cleaning Service Contract Award (Cabinet - 21 March 2018)

Minutes:

Councillor Burrett, on behalf of the Conservative Group, explained the rationale for bringing forward this item for debate.  He commented that he was surprised that the minute showed that the Council had worked on the potential of an in-house bid, but wasn’t submitted as it wasn’t thought to have been competitive. He commented that he hoped we had moved away from the idea of having everything in-house and leant from the sheer cost of those days, but clearly not and hoped this was not a trend to come.

 

Councillor Lamb responded on this matter.

 

9.

Electoral Review - Ward Patterns - Consideration of the Principle of Promoting a Mixed Pattern of Wards - Recommendation 1(a) (Governance Committee - 26 March 2018)

Minutes:

The Full Council considered report LDS/135 of the Head of Legal and Democratic Services, which had been previously considered at the meeting of the Governance Committee on 26 March 2018.

 

Councillor Lunnon as the Chair of the Governance Committee, presented the report to the Full Council and highlighted that the Electoral Review - Ward Patterns, report contained two recommendations for their consideration and with agreement of the Mayor, each recommendation would be debated independently from one another.

 

Councillor Lunnon moved and presented the first recommendation which related to the consideration of the Principle of Promoting a Mixed Pattern of Wards. The proposal before the Full Council was that the Council’s submission to the Electoral Boundary Commission for England should be a mixed pattern of wards namely that 10 Wards served by 3 Councillors and 3 Wards served by 2 Councillors. The approach was based on the Council’s desire to retain the Borough’s electoral division’s in-line with the neighbourhood principle throughout Crawley.

 

Councillors Burrett seconded the recommendation and Councillor Crow spoke in support of the recommendation.

 

A recorded vote was requested and the Mayor then called for the vote.

 

Votingin Favour:Councillors: Ayling,Belben,Bloom, Boxall, BJ Burgess, RG

Burgess, Burrett, Cheshire, Crow, Eade, Fiveash, Guidera, Irvine, Jaggard, Jones,Joyce, Lamb, Lanzer,Lunnon, McCarthy,Mullins, Peck, Pendlington, Pickett, Portal Castro,Quinn, Rana,Sharma, Skudder, B ASmith, PC Smith, Stone, Sudan,Tarrant, ThomasandVitler. (36)

 

Voting Against: Councillors:None (0)

 

Abstentions:Councillors: None (0)

 

The Mayor declared the recommendation was carried in favour 36, and votes against 0 with 0 abstention.

 

RESOLVED

 

That the Full Council approves that the Council’s submission to the Local Government Boundary Commission for England should be for a mixed pattern of Wards (10 Wards served by 3 Councillors and 3 Wards served by 2 Councillors).

 

10.

Electoral Review - Ward Patterns - Consideration of the Mixed Pattern of Wards - Recommendation 1(b) (Governance Committee - 26 March 2018)

Minutes:

The Full Council considered report LDS/135 of the Head of Legal and Democratic Services, which had been previously considered at the meeting of the Governance Committee on 26 March 2018.

 

Councillor Lunnon as the Chair of the Governance Committee, moved and presented the second recommendation which related to the consideration of the mixed Pattern of Wards. The proposal before the Full Council detailed a specific pattern of Wards and proposed Ward boundaries to be submitted as the Council’s submission to the Electoral Boundary Commission for England. In moving the recommendation, it was emphasised that the proposal was focused on maintaining the neighbourhood principle, whilst achieving best as possible, electoral equality across the Borough. The recommendation was seconded by Councillor Lamb.

 

Councillor Crow moved his amendment, having been seconded by Councillor McCarthy, in doing so highlighted that his alternative Scheme would align electoral Ward boundaries closest to the neighbourhood principle whilst remaining within the limits of electoral variance.

 

During a passionate discussion on the two sets of boundary proposals, including debating both the merits and weaknesses of both moved proposals, Councillors McCarthy, R G Burgess, Burrett, Lamb, Lanzer, Thomas Guidera, Sudan, Dr Bloom, B J Burgess Irvine Pickett, and Jones all spoke on the item.

 

At the conclusion of the debate a recorded vote was requested on the proposed amendment and the Mayor then called for the vote.

 

Voting in Favour: Councillors: Belben, Dr Bloom, Boxall, B J Burgess, R G Burgess, Burrett, Crow, Eade, Guidera, Jaggard, Lanzer, McCarthy, Peck, Pendlington, Stone, Tarrant, and Vitler. (17)

 

Voting Against: Councillors: Ayling, Cheshire, Fiveash, Irvine, Jones, Joyce, Lamb, Lunnon, Mullins, Pickett, Portal Castro, Quinn, Rana, Sharma, Skudder, B A Smith,

P C Smith, Sudan, and Thomas. (19)

 

Abstentions: Councillors: None (0)

 

The Mayor declared the proposed amendment had fallen by – votes in favour 17, and votes against 19 with 0 abstention.

 

A recorded vote was requested on the substantive motion and the Mayor then called for the vote.

 

Voting in Favour: Councillors: Ayling, Cheshire, Fiveash, Irvine, Jones, Joyce, Lamb, Lunnon, Mullins, Pickett, Portal Castro, Quinn, Rana, Sharma, Skudder, B A Smith,

P C Smith, Sudan, and Thomas. (19)

 

Voting Against: Councillors: Belben, Dr Bloom, Boxall, B J Burgess, R G Burgess, Burrett, Crow, Eade, Guidera, Jaggard, Lanzer, McCarthy, Peck, Pendlington, Stone, Tarrant, and Vitler. (17)

 

Abstentions: Councillors: None (0)

 

The Mayor declared the proposed recommendation as approved – votes in favour 19, and votes against 17 with 0 abstention.

 

RESOLVED

 

That the Full Council approves for final submission to the Local Government Boundary Commission for England, the mixed pattern of Wards submission as set out in the Appendix to minutes of the Governance Committee 26 March 2018.

(i.e. report LDS/135, Appendix A amended with the revision of Appendix C to report LDS/135).

11.

Duration of the Meeting (Guillotine)

Minutes:

As the business had not been completed within the scheduled 2 hours 30 minutes a vote on continuation, and in line with Council Procedure Rule 2.2, was held. The Mayor required the Full Council to consider if it wished to continue with the meeting.

 

Having put it to the vote, the Council agreed that the meeting be continued for an additional period not exceeding 30 minutes.

12.

Councillors' Written Questions

To answer Councillors’ writtenquestionsunder Council Procedure Rule 11.3.

 

Minutes:

It was noted that there were no Councillors’ written questions submitted.

 

13.

Announcements by Cabinet Members

Anopportunityfor CabinetMembersto report verbally (ifnecessary)on issuesrelating totheirPortfolio not covered elsewhere on the agenda.

 

Minutes:

CabinetMember

Subject

Councillor Joyce (Cabinet Member for Housing)

Councillor Joyce announced to the Full Council that on 29 March 2018, the Council had purchased the site of the College Car Park and stated the Council should be able to deliver 98 affordable housing on that site.

 

He also commented that it was his final meeting and that he’d been on Cabinet for 6 years and in opposition for 6, Cabinet was more fun. Noting that during his time as Cabinet Member for Housing, there had either been built or started to build over 1000 new homes, which he was very proud of and he wished all Members the best for the future.

 

14.

Questions to Cabinet Members

To answer questionsto CabinetMembersunder Council Procedure Rule 11.2.

 

Up to 15 minutesisallocatedfor questionsto CabinetMember

Minutes:

Name ofCouncillor askingQuestion

Name ofCabinet Member Responding

Councillor Crow to the Leader of the Council

 

Does he agree with me that any Councillor that were a member of ‘Momentum,’ should declare that on their register of interest?

 

Councillor Lamb – (Leader of the Council).

 

I genuinely do not know if any of my colleagues were/ are a member of ‘Momentum.’ I am very diligent with my declarations, but if Momentum does fall within any of the categories, then yes it should be on the Councillor’s register of interest forms

 

Councillor Lanzer to theLeader of the Council

 

Can he update the current risk level of the combined heat and power network associated with the new Town Hall development? Also who would be running the installation of the network if it was to go ahead?

 

Councillor Lamb – (Leader of the Council).

 

This question should probably be addressed to the Cabinet Member for Resources, but what I can say is that as we are in active negotiation at present, unfortunately we cannot discuss too much on this issue in Part A session.

 

Councillor Eade to the Cabinet Member for Resources

 

Noting that we were in open session, but what level of confidence does he have that the New Town Hall project would remain under the figures originally debated?

 

Councillor Skudder -  (Cabinet Member for Resources)

 

Zero. As the figures had changed since the original report, which had been reported at the Scrutiny Commission in September 2017.

 

Councillor Guidera to the Cabinet Member for Environmental Services and Sustainability

 

My question relates to the disabled parking on the Broadway/ Crosskeys. I have seen numerous times recently, vehicles with blue badges receiving parking tickets. Having looked into it, it appears that three of the bays were our disabled residents being ticketed. I believe many of the tickets were then being rescinded. Would he consider looking into the Council’s approach for ticketing in that area?

 

Councillor Thomas – (the Cabinet Member for Environmental Services and Sustainability)

 

Recently I did however pick up a parking ticket from the floor in the Town Hall reception and took it to the parking team.

 

However I don’t have an answer now, as I’ll have to look at this matter further. Please forward me any information so I can get to the heart of the issue. One thought though was that car park I believe was an NCP, rather one we own.

 

Councillor R Burgess to theLeader of the Council

 

At the last Full Council I asked you a question ‘are there any plans for the Council to commemorate the centenary of the Representations of the People’s Act?’ You replied that you would be speaking to our communications team over this. Can he provide an update on this?

 

Councillor Lamb – (Leader of the Council).

 

I believe I said I would speak to the relevant Cabinet Member on my right, which I have done and you’ll find  ...  view the full minutes text for item 14.

15.

Questions to Committee Chairs

To answer questionsto Committee Chairs.

 

Up to 15 minutesisallocatedfor questionsto CommitteeChairs.

 

Minutes:

Name ofCouncillor askingQuestion

Name ofCommittee Chair Responding

Councillor Crow to the Chair of the Governance Committee

 

During the discussion on the Ward boundaries earlier he implied that my proposal would carve up more Wards, please can he elaborate which?

 

Councillor Lunnon – (Chair of the Governance Committee)

 

Yes, Bewbush, West Green and Northgate which is a number of Wards.

Councillor B Burgess to the Chair of the Licensing Committee

 

Bearing in mind that the Licensing Committee seldom meets with the last meeting having been cancelled. How does the Chairman feel of holding licensing training sessions, if the meeting get cancelled instead?

 

Councillor Fiveash – (Chair of the Licensing Committee)

 

Yes it a good idea. I’ll look into it.